J E S U S | B. O. A. T.
+ contents
***/ + dedication
***/ + contents
***/ + author’s notes
00/ · introduction
01/ · the human
02/ · came
03/ · to seek
04/ · and to save
05/ · lost
06/ · son of humanity
07/ · it is finished!
X0/ + QNA—(INTRO)
X1/ + QNA—(MOI?)
X2/ + QNA—(GOD?)
X3/ + QNA—(SEX?)
X4/ + QNA—(WTF?)
X5/ + QNA—(BAR?)
***/ + me too!
***/ + author’s life
J E S U S | B. O. A. T.
+ author’s notes
What business does a business leader have writing a book about Jesus? Isn’t that the wrong business to be engaged in? Shouldn’t spiritual leaders be writing about Jesus? That would be like a spiritual leader writing a book about business. How does that make any sense? Truthfully, when I was approached to write this book, I also wondered if it made sense. I have been a business leader for three decades now, and I serve as the CEO of Keirsey—a human behavior research company, where we write mostly on human interaction, and the psychology of leadership and influence. So, a book about Jesus was not really in the strategic plan. But I was asked to write about Jesus’s humanity—on the kind of human being he was. I was asked to give my honest, unfiltered thoughts of Jesus—the human through the eyes of a business leader and not a spiritual leader. I was also asked to share stories from my life journey, about the people who impacted me, and to recount some of the meaningful, spiritual conversations I’ve had over the years with human beings in bars, lounges, restaurants, and cafés.
J E S U S | B. O. A. T.
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human
As we dive in, I’d like to point out a few things to note about this book. This book is not about the divinity of Jesus, it is about his humanity. So, for my friends who don’t believe in his divinity, this book will also serve you well. In pondering the extraordinary case of Jesus—the human, one cannot help but be struck by the remarkable nature of his mission. His was a purpose steeped in sacrifice—such a calling, one that intertwines destiny with a willingness to face the unthinkable, is a testament to the power of purpose that knows no bounds. It is this same unyielding commitment to his chosen path that makes Jesus’s life the most compelling case study in living out one’s purpose. Through his actions, Jesus—the human exemplified the pinnacle of a purpose-driven life, setting an indelible mark on history and humanity.
To my atheist and agnostic friends, I say that you don’t have to believe in God to read this book. You don’t have to believe in the divinity of Jesus. I don’t think anyone would argue against the humanity of Jesus. To my Jewish friends, I say that you don’t have to believe in Jesus—the divine to learn from Jesus—the human. So, let’s look at Jesus through these lenses. For my friends who subscribe to another religion or do not acknowledge any organized religiosity or spirituality, I write not to compare your gods or ideas to Jesus. You can be a missionary, a humanist, a monk, an addict, or a hypocrite. You can be liberal, conservative, communist or independent; for all things LGBTQ+ or not, a devoted, part-time, or recovering Christian or Catholic, anti-religious, super-religious, or spiritual but not religious, single, married, polyamorous, or any term you have embraced for yourself. What I know for certain is that all of us are human—no matter what our beliefs may or may not be; and all of us are a part of humanity, and all of us have a purpose, and are loved divinely.
The big message for everyone reading this book is that it is not only a story of a human named Jesus. It is the story of meaning and purpose, for all of us who are human. I write to tell you about my friend, who was born as a son of humans, who entered this world as a human being like us, who lived an extraordinary life of purpose. I write to all of you to tell you about my human journey and about the conversations I’ve had about my Jewish best friend, Jesus—the human.
J E S U S | B. O. A. T.
02/
came
When Jared was eight, he said one evening over dinner, “Dad, I think life is about two things—it’s about exploring and discovering.” A little further into dinner that night, he said, “There’s two more things. Life is also about loving and leading. And all of this works together as a system.” I asked, “Where did you learn this?” And he said, “It just came to me right now.” I asked further, “So, what do you mean when you say it’s a system?” He replied, “If you only focus on discovering, you miss out on the journey. You always have to explore because that’s how you learn. But, if you just keep exploring and you never actually discover anything, you’re just taking a walk.” I followed up with, “What about loving and leading? How does that work?” And he declared, “If you’re a loving person, but you aren’t leading, you’re just a really nice person who makes no impact. But if you don’t love those you lead, who is going to follow you?”
Suzanne and Jared have their afternoon teas together where they engage in such “soulful + intellectual dialogue” all the time, but when we look back on this particular conversation, we are still blown away by what our eight-year-old son said. I actually shared this story once in a class at the Harvard Business School, where some of the best and the brightest on the planet were gathered to learn about leadership. And several made the comment, “Why are you here, Edward? Where’s Jared? Why isn’t he here in our class?”—😂
So, let’s explore and discover the life of Jesus—the human. I hope that in our exploration, we will discover Jesus’s humanity, and what that means for our lives as human beings. I pray that in these pages, you will see displayed before you a loving and leading human being; one who led with love, and lived fully, right to the very final breath before his death.
J E S U S | B. O. A. T.
03/
seek
I often play the part of CEO in a number of different enterprises. What that means is that as the “Chief Eating Officer,” I’m pretty much eating great food and wine all the time. Most of my meetings with people all happen wherever there is the best food and drink to be had. I look for spaces where it is evident that the creator and stewards of the establishment take great pride in what they serve.
During my visits, I’ve also made it a habit to pay homage to the bartender of the domain—I think it is important to have bartenders as your friends. I have met bartenders all over the world, and a ritual that I have is to request their best drink. I say, “If I will never see you again, and this were my last drink before I leave this planet, what drink would you serve me?” I have had many amazing creations made for me. Some of those drinks have been made by award-winning bartenders.
A question that I also ask my new bartender friends is, “Who is the bartender of all time—(the “B.O.A.T.”)?” And most share stories of a bartender they admire, but once in a while, I get some who unashamedly self-promote their own bartender brilliance. When they ask me the same question back, I tell them, “Jesus is the B.O.A.T.—the Bartender of All Time.” Everyone has a different response: from raised eyebrows, to curiosity, to puzzled looks; some are shocked, many respond with laughter; I’ve actually had some applaud with approval in agreement, affirming my answer. Though the responses vary, I have never had anyone respond in a way where they were offended. Perhaps it’s because bartenders are so chill, that it’s not in their nature.
I ask the question about whether their best drink is better than Jesus turning water into wine. And I ask whether they or any of their fellow bartenders have ever turned water into wine. I have yet to meet a bartender that says they have performed this miracle. So, by the end of our conversation, we all arrive at the conclusion that Jesus was indeed the B.O.A.T.—and then I am served another drink—on the house.—😂
J E S U S | B. O. A. T.
04/
save
I mentioned at the start of this book that I lead a human behavior research company called, Keirsey with its raison d’être stated as: “Our mission is to change the world by helping people understand each other.” Several years ago, I remember once being introduced for a keynote at a leadership conference by the Chief Learning Officer of a prominent company, and he said, “Hello, I’m Brent. I’d like to introduce you to my friend, Edward, who serves as the CEO of Keirsey. What I can tell you about him is that he knows you better than you know yourself; he understands you in a way that you may never quite ever understand. So, you are going to want to make sure to connect with him over the next few days.” He then said with a laugh, “Even years from now, he will remember you. He’s not likely to remember your name, but he will remember your temperament.” Everyone laughed at his remark, and then to close it off he said, “He’s so good at reading people that even if he forgets your temperament, he’ll be able analyze you on the spot and pretend that he remembers you. I don’t know anyone on the planet that can read someone more accurately and more quickly than he can. The fact that he won’t remember your name is okay, though, because it really doesn’t matter; what does matter is that he understands you now, and will always understand you.”
For years, my friends and colleagues, have recounted that introduction with fondness. But, over all the years, Brent’s introduction always felt a little bittersweet for me. As the CEO of a company that seeks to understand people, I thought about how ridiculous it is to be able to claim that you understand somebody without knowing their name. If you think about it, it’s pretty messed up. “I don’t know your name, but I know who you are. And I truly understand you.” I came to the conclusion that a good place to start when you’re seeking to understand someone is to perhaps start with a person’s name. A simple, “Hi, my name is Edward, what is your name?” can work wonders.
A passage that I love in Judaism states: “Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.” If names mattered to the God, The Creator of Everything, then as someone who seeks to live to honor God, perhaps I should regard names as being important. After all, when God was revealed in human form, one of the first things revealed about God was God’s name. In Judaism, the name Immanuel (עִמָּנוּאֵל) was declared, which means “God is with us.” This name is associated with the prophecy in the Book of Isaiah and points to God entering into humanity to be with us. In Christianity, the name Jesus was given, from the Hebrew name Yeshua (ישוע), which is a shortened form of Yehoshua (יהושע), meaning “G-d is salvation” or “G-d saves.”
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05/
lost
If you look at the story of Jesus—the human, he lived on Earth in a family where society would suggest that his biology is troubled. If you think about his family life in societal norms, Jesus—the human had no biological blood ties to his earthly dad Joseph. He would be deemed adopted. Joseph would be considered his step-father, and his siblings would be step-brothers and step-sisters. Or Mary and Joseph, together could be considered his foster parents, entrusted to care for him for an important season of his life. But, in all of this, Jesus’s family was chosen. It was predestined by God, every one in the family was meant to be, and everyone chose to be together as family. Despite the fact that the beginnings seemed troubling, the decision to love daily is what made their family work.
I believe that too often in life
we keep looking for the reasons
why we were rejected instead of
embracing all the reasons
why we were received.
We search and long for
those who we were abandoned by
rather than truly live and thrive
with those who we are loved by.
When Joseph heard from God, imagine if he had not listened to God’s voice. Joseph could have missed out on being Jesus’s dad. Imagine what was going through his mind when he found out that his pledged to be wife was pregnant. Mary, a young woman, was to be his virgin bride. Joseph and Mary were meant to be each other’s forever first and only. He could have shamed her and left her out on the streets to an uncertain future with an unwanted baby. Yet, in the midst of this devastating news, he made up his mind to still show compassion and chose to not expose her to public disgrace. He would divorce her quietly. But, then an angel of God showed up in his dream, and said, “Yo Joe! ‘There’s Something About Mary’ that you should know. I know it’s hard to believe, but trust God.” Thank God that Joseph followed God’s plan to marry Mary. Instead of rejecting her, he received her, and instead of abandoning her he loved her. As you can see, there was a lot going on with this family even before Jesus—the human came out of the womb.
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+ son of humanity
The Jesus of tradition dehumanizes Jesus—the human, portraying him as someone who never experienced human feelings, desires, habits, needs, and limitations. I recall discussions with my children during puberty, when their voices changed, hair grew in surprising places, and regular monthly cycles became a reality. I had “the talk” with them about boys, girls, hormones, health, sex, sexual orientation, safety, abstinence, pregnancy, virginity, romance, and God’s design of the human body. They asked teenager questions like, “What counts as premarital sex? Is it a sin to kiss? Is 1st, 2nd, 3rd base considered sex? Is oral sex considered sex? Does the Bible teach that sex is only for making babies? Interestingly, these conversations took a turn to ask, “WWJD?” And in discussing how Jesus was human, questions emerged like, “Did Jesus go through puberty? Did Jesus have a penis? Did Jesus ever have a “boner” or a “woody”—(aka: an erection)? Did Jesus have a gender or did he transcend it? Did Jesus have hormones? Did Jesus ever have a teenage crush? Did Jesus ever masturbate? Did Jesus ever have sex? Did Jesus ever get married?”
Along with these questions, there were other questions not related to sex, such as, “Was Jesus a foodie, and could he appreciate a nice glass of wine? And after such a meal, did Jesus pee and take a shit?” My son Conrad asked, “Is that where the term ‘Holy Shit’ came from?” They wondered, “Did Jesus have stinky feet from walking in sweaty sandals? Did Jesus ever have bad breath or bad body odor from not showering or not brushing his teeth? Did Jesus ever fart? Did Jesus ever smoke, drink, and dance wildly with laughter? Did Jesus ever get buzzed or experience a high? If so, did he ever smell of alcohol or psychedelics? Did Jesus ever speak humorously with profanity? Did Jesus ever insult anyone? Did Jesus ever get pissed off? Did Jesus ever get violent? Did Jesus ever beat anyone up? If he engaged in any of the above, would that make him a sinner before the eyes of God? If we understand Jesus—the human through what is actually revealed, and not what we think should be a proper Jesus, it can be unsettling for many. These are not imaginary tales. If we understand Jesus—the human as told, we begin to understand that perhaps our ideas of what is sacred, holy, righteous, and godly are way off the mark.
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+ it is finished!
We started our journey in Jesus—B.O.A.T. with the Wedding at Cana, with the very first miracle of Jesus—the human. We established that he was the Bartender of All Time because he’s the first and only to ever turn water into wine. I shared with you that this book was based in part on a paper I wrote entitled, Jesus: The Glutton, Drunkard and Friend of the Worst Sort of Sinners; and also, in part on that A+ paper I never handed in, What the Church Can Learn from Madonna on Relevance. So, here as we close, I think of a lesson that I learned from Madonna, that was modeled by Jesus—the human. Madonna once said, “If at first you don’t succeed, you’re not me.” In his first virgin miracle on Earth, as Jesus—the human, he succeeded in creating the most extraordinary wine with his touch for the very first time as Jesus—B.O.A.T.—the Bartender of All Time. It was a wine to be had during the highest of highs, at a beautiful miraculous wedding. One that would be talked about for eternity.
Now, when it comes to his very last and final action, during the lowest of lows, it is interesting to note that, of all things he could have done, his very final act was similar to the first actions he took when God revealed Godself through him. In his very first virgin miracle, he had wine… and in his very final moments he had wine. The wine he was served was “ὄξους”(oxous). And there’s something important that I believe has gone overlooked for centuries because the highlights of the drama have always been his final words. But, as a business leader, whose real role is to be the Chief Eating Officer (CEO) and the Chief Wine Officer (CWO), the Greek word, ὄξους is very interesting to me. I want to see if something got lost in translation.
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+ QNA—(INTRO)
I believe that questions are where real growth begins—where ideas are tested, assumptions are challenged, and deeper truths are uncovered. These thirty-three questions were born from the most thought-provoking feedback, pushing me to explore personal stories, theological puzzles, and controversial topics with honesty and depth. From the lighthearted to the heavy-hitting, this Q&A is an unfiltered exploration of the questions you didn’t even know you needed answered. It’s my invitation for you to join the conversation, challenge the status quo, and rethink what you thought you knew. For a sneak peak on the 33 questions, take a look below by opening up each section. Cheers!
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+ QNA—(MOI?)
In X1/ + QNA—(MOI?), we get personal—no pretense, no facade, just an honest look at the journey that has made me, me. This is unfiltered, where I get to tell the stories I’m not supposed to. My story has been anything but straightforward—a journey that veered unexpectedly from spiritual leader to business leader, from one calling to another, from conventional to provocative. Why didn’t I become as everyone expected? How did I end up running a company instead of a church? What were the moments of divine comedy and cosmic irony that landed me here, and not there? My story is not just about me. It’s about all of us who’ve ever faced the tension between who we were told we should be and who we’re meant to become. It’s for anyone who’s questioned the traditional scripts handed down to them and dared to ask, “What if there’s another way?” My journey is an invitation to a conversation about identity, destiny, and the unexpected twists that shape our paths. It’s about missed divine appointments, the people who guided me, and those who tried to block my way. It’s raw, it’s real, and sometimes, it’s a little bit irreverent. But isn’t that the best kind of conversation?
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/QNA_01/—Why did you end up becoming a business leader and not a spiritual leader?
/QNA_02/—You’ve been President and CEO @ Keirsey for 20 years now, did you have conversations with Dr. Keirsey on matters pertaining to faith, spirituality, and religion?
/QNA_03/—Where did you first ever hear about Keirsey?
/QNA_04/—It’s clear that Dr. Keirsey and your dad have been very impactful in your life. And it’s evident that there have been many leaders who have been impactful in your leadership. But are there any others who rise to the level of impact as your dad or Dr. Keirsey?
/QNA_05/—It’s evident that you are a very non-traditional family. But do you have any family traditions? And do you have any goals for parenthood?
/QNA_06/—How is fatherhood different when having a daughter?
/QNA_07/—You mentioned that Jesus—B.O.A.T. was originally a paper you wrote while you were at Fuller Theological Seminary. Why didn’t you turn it into a book back then? Perhaps you could have made a lot of money from it. How did you support yourself through seminary?
/QNA_08/—Did you ever teach this content publicly before publishing this book?
/QNA_09/—How is this book different from what you would have written back then?
/QNA_10/—How do you see your understanding of Jesus—the human influencing your approach to leadership and making a difference in the world?
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+ QNA—(GOD?)
In this journey with Jesus—the human, I found myself at a juncture where language, theology, and history intersect in a tangled web of assumptions and interpretations. I realized that much of what I learned growing up were more reflections of human bias than divine revelation. X2/ + QNA—(GOD?) is not merely an academic exercise—it’s an invitation to a necessary confrontation. How do the original languages shape our understanding of God, and are we willing to accept that what we know might be wrong? We ask not just whether something was lost in translation, but whether something essential was twisted, obscured, or perhaps even invented. Could it be that in our zeal to make sense of Jesus—the human, we’ve inadvertently crafted a narrative that misses the essence of his radical claim to be the ‘son of humanity’? What if the true scandal of his life was not in asserting his divinity, but in fully embracing his humanity?
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/QNA_11/—How do the original languages and translations impact our understanding of biblical texts? Are the translations we have available today reliable and trustworthy?
/QNA_12/—Did anything get lost in translation?
/QNA_13/—Are we guilty of “Putting Words into God’s Mouth”?
/QNA_14/—Do we have the same God-given potential of Jesus—the human?
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+ QNA—(SEX?)
In X3/ + QNA—(SEX?), we explore what many would rather leave untouched—questions of God’s erotic nature, the essence of being human, the mystery surrounding the Virgin Mary, and even whether Jesus—the human experienced sexuality like the rest of us. This chapter isn’t about stirring up controversy; it’s about an honest pursuit of truth, especially for those who’ve known pain, brokenness, and suffering. Why have we been conditioned to avoid these questions, and what might we find if we dare to ask? For the skeptic and the seeker alike, this section invites a deeper look, not through the lens of tradition but through an open heart and mind willing to encounter God in unexpected places. Together, we’ll confront these topics, stripping away assumptions and exploring whether our inherited narratives have obscured truths meant to comfort, heal, and restore. If we’re going to claim to know God, let’s ask every question that could bring us closer to the truth, no matter how messy or sacred it might be.
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/QNA_15/—Does God have an erotic nature? Are human beings erotic by design?
/QNA_16/—Was the Virgin Mary really a virgin?
/QNA_17/—Did Jesus—the human ever have sex?
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+ QNA—(WTF?)
If you’re like me, you’ve had many moments in your life where you want to throw your hands up and shout, “WTF?” X4/ + QNA—(WTF?) is my journey of moving from sanitized explanations to a confrontation where I wrestle with the gritty, paradoxical nature of belief. Here, we’re calling out what’s ridiculous and exploring the space between certainty and doubt. In my departure from being a spiritual leader, I was able to abandon neatly packaged doctrine, to really look at the cracks in theology and discover raw, uncomfortable truths. If you’re up for exploring, then like me, you will be forced to confront beliefs that you’ve blindly accepted for so long. My hope is that you will dive in to be skeptical, to challenge everything—and see if you come out on the other side with a clearer sense of what you truly believe. I believe that if we are to move into a brighter tomorrow, we must raise questions and confront what has been taught by the institutions of yesterday. Confrontation is often controversial, but I have learned that until you speak up you will never have courage. And until you are willing to hear others you always thought were wrong, you’re only a stupid coward.
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/QNA_18/—What are your honest and unfiltered thoughts on predestination?
/QNA_19/—What do you believe about hell and are people sent there? Or worse, are some people predestined by God to go to hell?
/QNA_20/—Do you think that everyone you have journeyed with in life will be in heaven?
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+ QNA—(BAR?)
In my life, I’ve spent years navigating the “right” answers, the polite answers, the answers that make people nod their heads and smile. But in this section, we’re cutting through the niceties. X5/ + QNA—(BAR?) will raise more questions than provide answers for some. It’s not for those who want to stay in the comfort zone of certainty; it’s for those who dare to challenge the unknowns, the ambiguities, and the uncomfortable truths on how to live daily with God in the postmodern era. It’s for those who are tired of the same old explanations that don’t quite cut it anymore when it comes to engaging life for real and just theoretically. I’ve come to the place where living spiritually in our day and age must work in reality, and if it doesn’t, it must be questioned. I have found that in an effort to preserve tradition, an “ideal “ Jesus is presented, rather than the real one that was revealed and is alive today. In this final section, we explore what it means to live spiritually as a human being in the 21st century, two thousand years removed from the 1st century when Jesus—the human, a son of a human being, and a son of humanity was here on Earth.
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/QNA_21/—Do I have to go hangout at bars?
/QNA_22/—How can someone who has felt judged or rejected by the church find a way back to a spiritual community?
/QNA_23/—Whenever I have gone to church, I have felt “reprimanded”—for not going enough, not giving enough, and not inviting others. Do I have to go to church?
/QNA_24/—How do you suggest readers navigate conversations about faith with people who have different beliefs?
/QNA_25/—Why do you cuss so much in Jesus—B.O.A.T.? WWJS?—(What Would Jesus Say)—about cussing? Did Jesus cuss?
/QNA_26/—How can we integrate the lessons from Jesus’s humanity into our daily personal and professional lives?
/QNA_27/—In your view, how can the postmodern church become a more welcoming and inclusive space for those it has historically alienated?
/QNA_28/—Do you believe in tithing 10% of your income to the church?
/QNA_29/—How do you reconcile ancient biblical prohibitions toward all things LGBTQ+ with modern understandings of love and human dignity?
/QNA_30/—Given the resurgence of polygamy and polyamory in modern theological discussions, how do you view the biblical and social context of such arrangements in light of evolving societal norms and Jesus’s teachings on marriage?
/QNA_31/—What are your thoughts on genetics tests and discovering your identity through such tests?
/QNA_32/—Does God answer every prayer?
/QNA_33/—How can I change to be more like Jesus—the human? How quickly does change happen?